ap0258

I don't even know what to say to this. It is just a "bad beat." Good luck.

HuskyGrad2010

Bilal Wrote:
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> Did you get it by mail or email? I dont think this
> makes sense at all :/ its really weird.. i mean
> they didnt mention anything about not looking at
> proctors, unless if u stare enough at a certain
> proctor then ull get to know the answers? i dont
> think it makes sense at all ..

I got it by mail.

I took the exam in Spain, but most of the proctors -and all the ones in my section, I think- where american. At least some of them where teachers or something from some American School.

faraz70s Wrote:
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> just an over zealous protocor. did the protocor
> warn u? i strongly believe that if a candiate is
> trying to cheat, the protocor gives a warning. if
> the protocor didnt warn u, y didnt he do so...this
> case is weak. good luck

Nop. Nobody told me anything during the whole exam.

I remember being going into level 1 obsessed with this kind of "misunderstandings" and keeping my head down to the point that I got out of there with a huge neck ache. I guess I should go back to that attitude next time, in case there is any.

random_walker47

GPM Wrote:
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> On a brighter note, maybe this means you passed.
> If you hadn't they might not have bothered
> following-up on such a flimsy report.
>
> I think at the end of the day you'll get a letter
> dismissing it but saying something like they say
> in the instructions--cheating is a very serious
> offense, you shouldn't cheat or give the
> appearance of cheating, blah blah.

In fact I got out being quite sure that I failed, so I don't think that's the case. Besides, do they have the results already? 1 month before releasing them?

grharmeyer

damn this is really sucky....i feel for you pal

anyway, i guess this is a really really rare case, and from what you've described there is no violation here whatsoever...but just to be completely safe, perhaps you should speak to a few people, like some senior profs in schweser/stalla or the like.....if theyve been in the business long enough then they may have heard of a few cases like these and might be able to suggest the right way to going about the response to CFAI.

it seems very idiotic really on the part of the proctor, and cfai too, but you having prepped this hard shouldn't go to waste just bcos they misinterpret what you write to them now (cos theyre obv not v smart with interpretations what with the way theyve described your on-day 'antics')...

all the best mate, hope everything clears out without a hitch..

ayodayo

Im not trying to get u scared or tensed but PCP investigation is really hard to win. Best case scenario would be getting ur scores canceled and you'll retake next year. It's really rare to win a PCP investigation but your case is weird i mean, why would he report you if u looked at him/her? and i honestly think it all comes down to the proctors you have, some proctors are really nice however others dont really know what would happen if you were reported cheating.. you might get suspended for a life time for cheating and i dont think they know the amount of time and pressure a candidate invests to sit for such an exam.. if it was cheating for sure then i think they should report it but "i think they are cheating" is totally unfair if its not supported by solid proof.

cfa10yrplan

On the website they indicate the exams are graded in week 3 and 4, but the MPS isn't set until week 6. That could mean you're a straight up pass. On a different note, this was just posted:

June 2011 CFA Exam Results Information

We will e-mail June 2011 Level I and Level II CFA exam results Tuesday, 26 July 2011, no earlier than 9:00 am ET. They will be available online Wednesday, 27 July 2011, no earlier than 9:00 am ET.

SpyAli

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segalm

Thank you all, guys.

I will write my response this weekend, after getting home and reading the whole text of the rules of procedure. And if they don't openly dismiss it I will probably quit the program in disgust even if they don't suspend me.

I don't know anybody from Schweser, Stalla, etc so I'm on my own. I will just try to chill a little these two days and be objective.

xilinx_altera

Bilal Wrote:
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> Im not trying to get u scared or tensed but PCP
> investigation is really hard to win. Best case
> scenario would be getting ur scores canceled and
> you'll retake next year. It's really rare to win a
> PCP investigation but your case is weird i mean,
> why would he report you if u looked at him/her?
> and i honestly think it all comes down to the
> proctors you have, some proctors are really nice
> however others dont really know what would happen
> if you were reported cheating.. you might get
> suspended for a life time for cheating and i dont
> think they know the amount of time and pressure a
> candidate invests to sit for such an exam.. if it
> was cheating for sure then i think they should
> report it but "i think they are cheating" is
> totally unfair if its not supported by solid
> proof.

The thing is he doesn't even dare to say I cheated. Everything goes "he looked toward", "he shifted his body", "he was scanning the room", "he looked, but I can't tell if the answers were visible", ... I don't even understand why I have to explain myself.

justin88

Some things I would add in your letter is the following:



1) It really doesn't make sense for you to copy off another test takers exam. Most people taking the exam fail. So if you cheated, copying another students answer is pointless.

2) You likely wrote a lot in the exam book. Ask them to examine your book where you showed your work and would show you had little motive to cheat because you were more prepared that any student you would be cheating off of.

3) The test is under a time constraint, the likelihood of seeing the question you need on a near by test taker and having the time to pull it off, is likely low.

I REALLY don't see how someone can cheat by copying off another person's test for this exam unless there is a co-conspirator that you can "share" your answers with. Even then, with time constraints and the fact that SOMEONE needs to know the answer, I am not sure it would be effective. Your best defense in my opinion is a strong score with detailed "work" in the booklet.

As an FYI, on level 1 the proctor did come up to me and asked me to cover my answers and not write them as large better because someone was looking at my answers. It may have just been the proctors reaction to my test taking style (I write in large letters the answer and box it when its a final answer, that way when I fill out the scan tron I avoid the urge to read anything other than filling it in).

Good luck.

And one bit of advice for all test takers:


WARNING FOR TEST TAKERS - LOOKING AT THE PROCTOR IS HAZARDOUS!
Having taught a couple classes, I hate to say it but the easiest way to spot a cheater is if they keep looking at me. Most guilty culprits need to be careful they are not being watched so they have to look at the teacher/proctor. So for these exams, you really should not look at the proctor. It does make you look guilty and it is a sign teachers/proctors look for when they look for cheating. I guarantee that is part of their training. I was taught that if someone keeps looking then go behind them so they cannot tell you are monitoring their behavior. It does not mean they are cheating but it is a red flag.



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