标题: IPS: Inflation Rate and Tax, shall I just add them? [打印本页] 作者: Howd 时间: 2011-7-11 20:09 标题: IPS: Inflation Rate and Tax, shall I just add them?
In the AM session essays, if we see inflation rate and tax for return rate calculation, shall we add or multiple them?
There are many sample answers in Qbank using different methods.
<need a break>作者: lcai 时间: 2011-7-11 20:09
add them. That is the way CFAI does it. The only multiplicative part is the calculation of required return for endowments and foundations when you combine fees and inflation..作者: Iginla2011 时间: 2011-7-11 20:09
Add inflation to get after tax requirement, then divide by (1-tax) to get Before tax requirement.作者: dyga 时间: 2011-7-11 20:09
dude what do you mean?when is there a case where you add inflation and tax???you just calculate after tax or pre tax by dividing by 1-tax.....i dont think you ever add them together作者: NakedPuts00 时间: 2011-7-11 20:09
darlia , give two examples of this: current exam and the question# , and past exam and the question #作者: mik82 时间: 2011-7-11 20:09
Inflation can be multiplicative or additive. From the texts it stated the additive approach was easier to understand on the private wealth side. If you look at the essay answers they have both multiplicative and additive as possibilities. I would use multiplicative then you don't need to remember two things between institutions and individuals.
As for taxes and inflation. If the entire proceeds of the account are taxed on a yearly basis, inflation must be multiplied net of tax.
If the entire amount is not taxed every year and you are only withdrawing, inflation is not net of tax.
There is an entire thread from last couple of years relating to this. I found it via Google when I first started studying.
i.e. Return requirement 5. Taxes 20%, Inflation 3%.
If taxed every year. [(1.05)(1.03) -1]/.8 = 10.1875
If taxed only on withdrawals. [1 + (.05/.8)](1.03) = 9.4375
I think a lot of the posts on this board relate to attempting to memorize instead of understanding the theory. The tax problems are very difficult to memorize however if you spend the time to figure out what is actually being done you can answer them quickly.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 10:23AM by Paraguay.作者: jmh530 时间: 2011-7-11 20:09
hellscream Wrote:
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> Darlia, arent they same?
> The order of adding them do not change the result,
> rite?
>
> I was wondering whether i should multiply them
> instead.
Negatory if you are taxed on entire proceeds every year inflation adjusted nominal pre-tax return is higher.
If you are not, return requirement is lower.作者: Colum 时间: 2011-7-11 20:09
The answer to your question is add or multiply. Both answers are listed on the essays. Multiplicative would be mathematically more correct than additive. I will be using multiplicative.作者: ll11 时间: 2011-7-11 20:09
> If the entire amount is not taxed every year and
> you are only withdrawing, inflation is not net of
> tax.
>
Can you clarify this by giving an example from the curriculum please?作者: Analyze_This 时间: 2011-7-11 20:09
revisor Wrote:
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> > If the entire amount is not taxed every year
> and
> > you are only withdrawing, inflation is not net
> of
> > tax.
> >
>
> Can you clarify this by giving an example from the
> curriculum please?
"Note: Strictly speaking, the inflation rate should be adjusted upward by the porfolio's average tax rate. For ease of presentation, we have simply added 3% inflation" <-- From the text as this is an account that pays tax on a yearly basis.
Whereas in the 2009 Test an account that only the withdrawal was taxable did not need to have an adjustment. Overall, it appears as if you are going to get it right either way or at least shouldn't get it wrong.
If entire portfolio is taxed on a yearly basis the entire portfolio has to grow by inflation to keep pace with the size of withdrawal.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 04:50PM by Paraguay.作者: Roflnadal 时间: 2011-7-11 20:09
Tax on inflation or inflation on tax, either way will work on exam, correct?
It seems CFAI has changed the way to answer those questions. I believe one way is more conservative(ending with a higher required return) than the other.
With 95% confident interval, I have got a mismatched required return with the answer. In other words, my expected return from the first 4 points(RR) is 0...need to make up from other place.作者: Zestt 时间: 2011-7-11 20:09
deriv108 Wrote:
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> Tax on inflation or inflation on tax, either way
> will work on exam, correct?
>
> It seems CFAI has changed the way to answer those
> questions. I believe one way is more
> conservative(ending with a higher required return)
> than the other.
>
> With 95% confident interval, I have got a
> mismatched required return with the answer. In
> other words, my expected return from the first 4
> points(RR) is 0...need to make up from other
> place.
All this in real practice is done through simulation. Makes no sense to still do return requirements like this.
