标题: Equity greater under the consolidation method? [打印本页] 作者: AndyNZ 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15 标题: Equity greater under the consolidation method?
Could someone please explain why equity is higher under the consolidation (aka. acquisition) method?
Please try to give a simple example.
Say parent has:
A = 1,000
L = 700
E = 300
Subsidiary:
A = 500
L = 350
E = 150
What happens when you consolidate the balance sheets?
Assume parents buys 60% of subsidiary.
Help..作者: Sportsman 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
Assuming they bought it at book value:
A = 1000 + 500 - (150*.6) = 1410
L = 700 + 350 = 1050
E = 300 + (150*.4) = 360
NO EXCUSES作者: SeanWest 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
just to confirm, the equity is high because of the "minority interests", correct?
stockholder equity (common stock) and retained earnings will be the same in all three methods (equity, aquisition, prop. consolidation).作者: giants2010 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
austinCFA Wrote:
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> just to confirm, the equity is high because of the
> "minority interests", correct?
> stockholder equity (common stock) and retained
> earnings will be the same in all three methods
> (equity, aquisition, prop. consolidation).
correct.作者: kickthatcfa 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
Equity method will lead to the most favorable ratios for the most part - so when in doubt, answer equity method 作者: busterbluth 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
assets = 1000 + 500 = 1500
lia = 700 + 350 = 1050
equity is old equity + (MI% * MI) + equity issued to buy company if company was purchased with stock作者: stalkey 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
Yep, equity is higher under the acquisition method due to MI.
If you're studying from Schweser, they say that it isn't part of equity, although that is corrected on the errata on their website. The CFAi considers it is part of equity, so it will be higher under the acquisition method compared to the equity method. As a side note, proportionate consolidation method will be same as equity method, because there is no MI.
Schweser are awful. The number of errors in their curriculum is shocking. And that's a pretty big screw up.作者: eoin 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
ryanwtyler Wrote:
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> epoh Wrote:
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> > shouldn't
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> > Assets = 1000+ .6(500)=1300
> > Lia= 700+350*.6=910
> > Equity = 300+.6*150=390
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> no.
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> its full consolidation so
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> assets = 1000 + 500 = 1500
> lia = 700 + 350 = 1050
> equity is old equity + (MI% * MI) + equity issued
> to buy company if company was purchased with stock
But that doesn't tie up with what bpdulog said in the second post.
I can at least follow what you've done, simply added the investor's assets/liabilities to the investee's assets/liabilities and then for equity it's the old equity + the MI.
Can you please show the calculation for getting the actual equity amount?作者: tobeornottobe 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
look. once for all time. equity must be different depending on if full or partial goodwill is used.
say net assets of susidiary is 160K
purchase price is 180k for 90% of sub
if full goodwill: you get an implied valuation of 180/.90 = 200K
full goodwill = 200k - 160 of sub's net assets = 200K, including 40K of full goodwill, yes?!
noncontroling interest = 10% x 200K = 20K
partial goodwill: 180K - 90% of sub's net assets of 160 = 180-160x.9 = 180-144 = 36 goodwill.
noncontrolling = 10% of 160 so 16K
what goes on the consolidated b/s?
200K in net assets for full goodwill, of which 20K is noncontrolling
160k in net assets for partial goodwill, of which 16K is noncontrolling
equity MUST be higher for the consolidated under the full goodwill method.
in terms of equity versus PROPORTIONATE consolidation: sure, equity is the same
im not sure how goodwill is handled in prop consolidation, would the same rules for goodwill apply? does full goodwill apply? if so, i think you can have cases where under prop consolidation u'd end up with higher equity, too.
please correct me if im wrong.作者: maryli 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
This is just about minority interest. No need for any calculation.作者: ayodayo 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
if bv = fv then there is no gw. MI = .4 * 150, so new equity = old equity + MI作者: Analyze_This 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
zoya Wrote:
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> look. once for all time. equity must be different
> depending on if full or partial goodwill is used.
> im not sure how goodwill is handled in prop
> consolidation, would the same rules for goodwill
> apply? does full goodwill apply? if so, i think
> you can have cases where under prop consolidation
> u'd end up with higher equity, too.
>
> please correct me if im wrong
Under prop consolidation, there will be no minority interest.
You will be getting your proportional share of the assets and liabilities.
Income from sub and equity from sub will be eliminated.作者: ap0258 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
and, in the above example, if you had an investment in the sub prior to consolidating you would have to subtract the old invesment from assets.作者: SFoyil 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
Due to minority interest, will ROE measure differ between full and partial goodwill? I have noticed on page 50 of FRA CFAI text there is an example where 'Shareholder's equity' and 'Equity' are separated by Minority Interest. Which figure would be used to calculate ROE?作者: YAhmed 时间: 2011-7-13 16:15
