标题: Possible cheating action. [打印本页] 作者: ba736 时间: 2011-7-13 16:39 标题: Possible cheating action.
On the exam day I found out that there were few candidates who asked to get out of the room during the morning section. Those who did ask to go out that morning repeated asking to go out again during afternoon section. I was very shocked since the proctor did not pay any attention to that pattern and of course did do anything to prevent those actions.
Let’s think about the exam from a candidate’s perspective. As a candidate who are well-prepared for the exam he/she know that she/he is supposed to go to restroom (or to solve their personal problem whatever it is) before entering the room. She/he knows that the most effective way is to not let anything distract them during the exam. Therefore, most candidates do private things before exam. But some candidates do the opposite way. They did not ask to go out before the exam started but asked to go out once or twice in just 3 hours during the exam time and that demand does not make sense to me at all. I would not say that all of those who asked to go out were cheating because I did not eyewitness that action but it was high probability of chance that they did commit cheating on those situations. (Believe me or not it is not hard at all when you concentrate your 110 percentage of your ability to do the exam, there is nothing else that can bother you but the exam)
I also found out that “cheating actions outside the exam room” are not mentioned on the list of the back of exam book. CFA program stated that cheating is very serious offense by listing them in five bullets:
- Do not look or glance on other candidate’s sheet
- Do not talk or discuss exam with other candidates
- Do not take exam materials out of the exam room
- Stop writing immediately when instructed to do so
- ….
What if a candidate asks to go out and take 3-4 minutes to look at the formulas he hides in his pocket or somewhere in the restroom. Everybody can do that simple action since there are no rules/proctor/camera assigned to control that situation.
I was very disappointed by the way CFA program put the effort on preventing cheating on the CFA exam. I would recommend that CFA program not allow any candidate to go out of exam room during 3 hours exam time except emergency situation. If candidate is in emergency situation, one proctor should be assigned to closely monitor candidate’s action. I hope that CFA Program will work on this critical issue to make sure no candidate has more advantage than others.作者: neil1234 时间: 2011-7-13 16:39
So what do you want them to do? Strip search each individual?
Assuming most (99%) people who take this exam are professionals who are serious about their career I doubt they really have to worry about the cheating few. Those cheaters won't get far anyway...作者: kingstongal 时间: 2011-7-13 16:39
I actually also had strong suspicion that a guy in the restroom with me had something in his wallet that he was using to cheat during the morning session. I clearly heard him remove a sheet of paper from his pocket, crumble it a moment or two later and flush. I never saw his face or any hard evidence, and by the time I got out he was gone so I couldn't report it.作者: tikfed 时间: 2011-7-13 16:39
i also had suspicions of cheating during the exam. i think CFA needs to take it way more seriously.作者: kickthatcfa 时间: 2011-7-13 16:39
I already sent an messege to CFA Program.
The reason I posted this here is that we need to bring this serious issue to people. It is always better if more than one person send complaints to CFA program and let them know what happens out there and it is about time to act on that issue.
@Zerobonus: Cheating is not tolerated period.
You will understand my feeling if you are Band 10 retaker.作者: giants2010 时间: 2011-7-13 16:39
prophets Wrote:
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> i also had suspicions of cheating during the exam.
> i think CFA needs to take it way more seriously.
i agree they need to take it more seriously....even this whole business of signing a pledge and having the same f*king paper for 80 countries across the world in an age of the internet is just mind-numbingly dumb....作者: tobeornottobe 时间: 2011-7-13 16:39
Agree with ZeroBonus. No need for this almost military control. The exam is hard enough and there's not much time to spend. I have some issues with going for a pee frequently and really had problems with time available for the exam... so this kind of prohibition is definetely not a good solution作者: genuinecfa 时间: 2011-7-13 16:39
Well it sucks if people are cheating, but I don't think not allowing people to use the restroom is a viable option. I had to go during the AM session because I had a huge cup of coffee in the morning. They escorted me to the bathroom, and there was a proctor standing there in the bathroom (God, wouldn't that job suck?). I mean, short of having a guy looking over your shoulder while you're doing your business, I think they're taking it pretty seriously. Some people will always find ways to cheat, but like ZeroBonus says, cheaters won't get that far. Its probably better to focus your energy on something more positive than worry about the few who think a scrap of paper in their pocket will make a significant difference on a test that covers 3,000 pages of curriculum.作者: maryli 时间: 2011-7-13 16:39
I went to the bathroom twice in the AM and once in the PM. I must be a huge cheater.
j/k but I am sure people cheat plenty in the bathroom. Sadly作者: senlinlang 时间: 2011-7-13 16:39
KilgoreTrout Wrote:
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> Well it sucks if people are cheating, but I don't
> think not allowing people to use the restroom is a
> viable option. I had to go during the AM session
> because I had a huge cup of coffee in the morning.
> They escorted me to the bathroom, and there was a
> proctor standing there in the bathroom (God,
> wouldn't that job suck?). I mean, short of having
> a guy looking over your shoulder while you're
> doing your business, I think they're taking it
> pretty seriously. Some people will always find
> ways to cheat, but like ZeroBonus says, cheaters
> won't get that far. Its probably better to focus
> your energy on something more positive than worry
> about the few who think a scrap of paper in their
> pocket will make a significant difference on a
> test that covers 3,000 pages of curriculum.
I agree. That slip of paper maybe got him 1 question? maybe 2? and if he flushed it, there's no more evidence. you can't prove it anymore. how do you report that?作者: stalkey 时间: 2011-7-13 16:39
I actually know people in Gulf telling about the exam paper to their friends who live in subcontinent (who have their exam on Sunday). I tried reporting this to CFAI but they asked too many questions just on the report form, even address of people involved. How was I supposed to know that! So I just stopped midway. It is really unfair that they get to know about a few questions beforehand. I am not entirely sure how different are their versions of exam.作者: Otabek 时间: 2011-7-13 16:39
sumz Wrote:
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> I actually know people in Gulf telling about the
> exam paper to their friends who live in
> subcontinent (who have their exam on Sunday). I
> tried reporting this to CFAI but they asked too
> many questions just on the report form, even
> address of people involved. How was I supposed to
> know that! So I just stopped midway. It is really
> unfair that they get to know about a few questions
> beforehand. I am not entirely sure how different
> are their versions of exam.
this is the only thing I have a problem with. Because this does give people a significant advantage and thats not fair for a non cheater who is band 9/10 fail作者: llxx 时间: 2011-7-13 16:40
IMO, the exam should be computerized. it should be a set of 360 questions and you randomly get 120 of the total 360.
then eventually w/ a computer based testthey can add an exercise with financial modeling in excel, which would be nice addition to the curriculum.作者: yospaghetti 时间: 2011-7-13 16:40
For all of the FINRA licensing exams, you are required to turn all of your pockets inside out (on camera) each time you enter the testing room. This would certainly add some time to get settled, but would alleviate most on-site concerns. Not sure how you address the regional issues without giving different exams, which I'm pretty sure would cause a riot among the candidates.作者: 5566 时间: 2011-7-13 16:40
Maybe the CFAI should provide a formula sheet with the exam. This would neutralize the advantage of smuggling a formula sheet into the bathroom.作者: MiniMe7 时间: 2011-7-13 16:40
31ejm Wrote:
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> For all of the FINRA licensing exams, you are
> required to turn all of your pockets inside out
> (on camera) each time you enter the testing room.
> This would certainly add some time to get settled,
> but would alleviate most on-site concerns. Not
> sure how you address the regional issues without
> giving different exams, which I'm pretty sure
> would cause a riot among the candidates.
If the CFA exams became like the FINRA exams, be prepared for the exam registration costs to easily triple.
The FINRA exams are finger printed, computer exams, recorded for video and audio for each candidate.作者: thecfawannabe 时间: 2011-7-13 16:40
iteracom Wrote:
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> 31ejm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
...
> If the CFA exams became like the FINRA exams, be
> prepared for the exam registration costs to easily
> triple.
>
> The FINRA exams are finger printed, computer
> exams, recorded for video and audio for each
> candidate.
The CAIA exam is already like this. It was quite a serious check-in process (multiple IDs, electronic fingerprint) and cameras were everywhere, including straight down on your keyboard and seat. It was a little unnerving.作者: mengxu 时间: 2011-7-13 16:40
Yeah for the CAIA there is 0 chance you can cheat on it. I know a lot of tests are moving towards more computerized version. GRE, MCAT, CPA, all moved while CFA/ SAT/ ACT are few of the remaining ones left on paper. I'd be shocked if it didn't change in the future.作者: bdavi77962 时间: 2011-7-13 16:40
I absolutely hate online exams.
I can't read computer screen text for very long before my eyes start hurting.
And aren't the exams on Sunday different?
They have multiple versions of the exam, as I recall, so you can't just phone people the questions asked and the answers.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at Thursday, June 9, 2011 at 01:24PM by 99 cannon sloop.作者: ninja1024 时间: 2011-7-13 16:40
^ Yea the FINRA exam questions come from a bank of questions the computer picks. So the person next to you can get different questions
I don't know why they make such an effort for those dumb series exams.
I agree the CFA exams should be much more strict, but 150k people taking these exams every year.. really tough to arrange it作者: neil1234 时间: 2011-7-13 16:40
I agree with the idea that CFA should provide a formula sheet (that's how the engineering FE test works). Sure it won't completely alleviate the cheating issue, but I figure it would definitely help cut down on the number of cheat sheets smuggled in. I think it also makes more sense from a knowledge perspective as well (there is little reason why I should have to memorize how to calculate the t-statistic of the correlation coefficient).
