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Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Alec
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 11:03 am

Chief,

The CD's are $80.00 delivered. What's your e-mail address?

Alec



Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Finally
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 11:15 am

1st post, for what it's worth. This site is like a car wreck. I'm annoyed by so many posters but I have to keep looking.

My keys to passing:
1.) Learn to hate AIMR. Remember they are they enemy. Don't let them beat you. Get mad. Let it motivate you. I failed Level I twice, took off a few years and then passed 3 consecutive years.
2.) Spouse or significant other has to buy into it - My wife was a single Mom from Jan to May these past 3 years with 3 kids. She understood how imporant it was for my job. I was lucky. In fact, she would be on me to study.
3.) I used Schweser notes, Schweser test bank and Schweser CDs in the car and borrowed 2002 Schweser videos for Level III. Do as many questions as you can toward the end. Started studying in January. I bought the texts and didn't open them as I had all I could do to cover the notes. I would study at lunch (my firm was very supportive) and 2 hours at night. On weekend 5 hours a day moving to 8 hours a day in last 6 weeks.
4.) Score over 70% on ethics. I had 13 sections at 50% or below, 2 sections 50%-70% and 4 sections above 70%. I actually can't figure out how I passed.
5.) Take off last week before test and immerse yourself. Avoid anything that distracts you. It took over my life.
6.) Have your mother-in-law say rosaries and novenas. You may laugh but I'm not discounting anything.
7.) Take test at a smaller test center. I took test in RI and virtually everyone in my test room was from Massachusetts. Less distracting and less stressful environment.
8.) Don't get burned out early, keep on a schedule but don't over do it. I needed it for the final big push.
Not to pontificate but don't give up. I was a finance major with a B- average at a Big East school so you can do it. Luck plays a part. The test throws you some questions which are your strengths and skips some areas where you're weak. Get mad.



Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: 2times
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 11:35 am

man do I feel like ****. This was my second shot at Level 3 and I FAILED again. Last year, I used the low pass rate as an excuse, can't do that this year. I actually thought that I passed this year, but WOW did I BOMB the morning section. Did alright in the afternoon yet, I INEXPLICABLY failed Ethics, come on, how did I fail ethics and get above 70 on Fixed Income a section I know nothing about. I got a 52 on the 40/60/80 game although I really don't know how good a barometer that is. I really don't study nearly enough as I should for this, so really I have no one to blame but myself, but its really hard to imagine that I am going to have to go through the same process again this year, it just hangs over your head all the time. I definitely have to change my plan of attack for next year but this just couldn't suck anymore.



Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: MontyBurns
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 11:35 am

I BARELY passed....55% on 40/60/80.

I did well in all sections, but failed ALL PM sections.
I thought I was well prepared for PM.....having wrote a list of every single possible constraint/horizon/tax answer. I thought memorizing this list and then cut and paste on the exam would work....BIG mistake.

Even though there have been hundreds of practice PM questions, AIMR manages to find a way so that you cannot cut and paste answers from previous PM questions. This years PM question gave me a curve ball, especially that part with the young kid dieing before the old lady, etc. This confused me and prevented me from applying past answers to the question.
I don't know if there is a technique for PM questions since memorization will only get you that far.

Luckily I passed, but if I didn't, my strategy would be to spend less time studying PM and more time on the Ethics, Quant, Hedge funds, RE, etc.
I spent waaaaay more time on PM this year, and couldn't even get one PM section over 50...its way to subjective.

The ONLY reason I passed this year was because I got 50-70 in all other non-PM sections, and I spent 1/5 the time combined on all those other sections compared to PM.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: slade
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 11:36 am

" I also used the audio's CD’s at night while reading the notes (It help to keep my mind focused on the material). ......"

That's a good idea Alec.

"....about the SSFA. It’s a 1 week program with over 50 hrs at the University of Windsor . The food and accommodation were terrible but the program was excellent. Doubtful I would have passed if I hadn’t attended......"

I thought the food was good, but the accommodations & program terrible. It was just too hard to hear and see the instructors and the dorm room was a joke. But there is a lot to be said for having 1 full week with nothing to do but study. I skiped 1/2 the classes and studied on my own instead.

I thought the Schweser notes were excellent (memorize The Secret Sauce). By the way the Allen notes were terrible. I switched to Schweser in early April and that saved my ass..

Passed L1 & L2 first sitting and I might consider the SSFA next year for L3 if Schweser can convince me they will improve the Audio/Visual.



Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: TheGuru
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 11:39 am

My advice is to use the textbooks and do the questions at the end of the relevant chapters. The Fabozzi and Quant books have excellent questions which are stylistically similar to what could appear on the Level III Exam. Good luck.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: pocahontas
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 11:43 am

I think it's hard to do well on the morning section, at least on the more subjective questions, so one should really try to nail down the afternoon section.

Studying the end of chapter questions from the textbooks, and going over the past AIMR exam questions are key, as well as doing as many mock exams as possible.

Not a great fan of reading the texts, especially if you are time constrained.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: 2times
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 12:02 pm

Oh man,

If I had passed ethics I likely would have passed the exam, this is unbelievable.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Ryan J.
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 12:06 pm

Chi-Town,

Hang tough buddy. I'm about to become a lowly Level II candidate, so I can only imagine how much work you've already put into this program. That said, all that work WILL NOT go unrewarded. You can and will pass Level III and your victory will be all the more sweeter having faced down the challenges and disappointments along the way.

For what it's worth and I'm sure you've heard this, but it's true,

"that which doesn't kill us makes us stronger"

While the CFA program comes close to killing us, it definitely makes us stronger.

Ryan


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Riff
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 12:32 pm

To all who failed Level 3...

I truly feel your pain - having finally passed on the third attempt, I can honestly say level 3 is the most grueling of the three exams. The funny thing is that I failed all the policy questions yet I write policy statements for individual clients frequently - whats up with that? The test is bullpucky and AIMR knows it.

As for suggestions, here is my two cents in order of priority:

1. KNOW ethics cold. Read the handbook and casebook - all topical readings as well. On test day always go with the most conservative answer (i.e. full disclosure). I was borderline with 54.7% - ethics was the only >70% in the afternoon - might have been the difference.

2. Rely on Schweser for complex material - derivatives, fixed income, etc. Attempt to read the candidate readings - I actually caught a break re-reading Alternatives-hedgefunds the night before- LUCKY

3. Don't try and learn everything. I saved time by ignoring derivates and parts of quant. Hammer the things you know.

4. Make your own notes - this is critical. I found just writing my notes helped my retention. Surprisingly, my recall was pretty good (for a change). In the past, I had relied on Schwesers flashcards.

5. Finally, it doesn't matter if you get 90% or 54.7% - just pass baby.

Good luck next year - Get back in the PIT - took me 8 long years to pass all three exams. Life gets in the way, but plug on people.

Riff



Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: (im)patiently waiting
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 3:42 pm

I would like to offer one additional piece of advice that worked well for me this year:
Wear ear-plugs!

For the first time this year I wore ear-plugs to the exam and was surprised at how much little distracting noise it blocks allowing you to focus more on the exam.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Truth Teller
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 3:48 pm

Things to do that most people don't do but should:

1. Work the assigned problems from the AIMR texts (quant, PM, fixed income, derivatives). I cannot emphasize this enough. You will see the same types of problems on the exam, especially in the afternoon.

2. Read the AIMR texts to fill in areas that your study provider does not cover well. This is particularly important for new AIMR assigned readings.

3. Read the original AIMR assigned readings for ethics. This year's level 3 exam covered some material that wasn't even mentioned by Schweser.

Truth Teller


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Adwa
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 10:59 pm

Passed L3 this year but had to take two swings at L2.

I agree with Truth Teller. Go with the quant and fixed income books minimum. Especially the end-of-chapter problems. I kept doing problems rather than going through the chapter again. If you can do the problems in the books you are ready to deal with AIMR.

If I had to write L2 or L3 I would use the AIMR texts as my main study aid and Schweser notes only for revision in the weeks before the exam.

What I also did was start the session by going directly the subjects that I really knew well and finished them quickly. It is a well known secret that a lot of timed pressure tests start with the most difficult questions first and that does not leave you any time for the easy and juicy ones later.

I also have to confess that my handwriting was terrible and am really thankful that they actually slogged through it.



Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: student
Date:   Thursday, August 14 @ 2:13 am


Thank you guys, for your kind advices.

I see what was wrong with my study method. I only read study notes (prepared by a lousy brand, by the way) and did past level 3 exam (official) questions. Felt that I was ready for the exam, but that was an illusion.

Too bad that I failed. My boyfriend was about to propose and I will only need one more year to finish my PhD. Then blah blah blah, with a happy ending. Now my schedule gets a little messier, but hopefully I will do much better next year.



Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Paul123
Date:   Thursday, August 14 @ 12:47 pm

Have anyone using JKE/Excel Exam Review Notes and flash cards and passed L3? Are they good?


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: staszajo43
Date:   Thursday, August 14 @ 1:15 pm

Chitown,

Keep it at; I passed with just a 60. You really should practice those topics Schweser suggests and the rest of the material as best you can; also, buy Schweser's Secret Sauce and study old PM questions. Best wishes.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Number 6
Date:   Thursday, August 14 @ 1:45 pm

The key to passing for me, like most people, was a strong afternoon session. I felt the time factor in the morning made it next to impossible to do really well in that session. I also did well in ethics, which may have been the deciding factor in my case. The key this year was to pick up enough part marks in the morning to keep you in the ball game, try not to get discouraged, then bring it home in the afternoon. If I had to repeat, my strategy would be simple: practice exams, practice exams and more practice exams. Under timed conditions. Until you're getting 80s and it feels like you could write one of these things in your sleep. That worked for me when I had to repeat level 2.

Chi-Town, sorry to hear you didn't get it. I always learned something from reading your posts and felt that you had a deep understanding of the material. Hope it's third time lucky for you...best wishes.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: DJ Jazzy Jefe
Date:   Thursday, August 14 @ 11:48 pm

Preacherman, Chi-town, betsy, et. al: I thought I had this one nailed after going 2 for 2 on the first 2 levels! I had only a 51% on the 40/60/80 scale, and got <70% on ethics for the first time. On the first 2 levels, it looks like I bombed the entire exam except ethics. But according to the guy who aced the morning and <50% on all PM sections, I guess ethics is no "tie-breaker". I still have no idea what went wrong, except that now the first 5 months of 2004 will be wrong again. My wife is going to kill me! I switched from Schweser to Stalla and felt much better walking out of the exam center. I also used Excel practice exams, which were tough but had horrible answer keys.
I am buying the Quant. and Fabozzi texts and other candidate readings as suggested for next years studies. Is the PassPro CD-rom good? Pls advise.



Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: valcon
Date:   Friday, August 15 @ 12:53 am

Stuffed up L3 last year. Got through this year luckily.

What I did different this year was I did not "study" at all. Rather I just got my hands on heaps of questions and started practicing questions from Day 1. Then when i got stuck ( totally forgot the stuff), went back to the books and just drilled into the topics until I could do the questions without thinking.......

I also switched from Scheweser to Stalla, which I found more useful because Stalla's questions were harder and kept me reading the note or learn by osmosis.....

All the best.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: preacherman
Date:   Friday, August 15 @ 2:50 am

Thanks to everyone for the insightful advice.

I think the concensus is to do lots of practice problems and Pass Pro and Excel Tests (now a part of Schweser) seems to have the best problems.

Does anyone know if the Schweser questions in the Schweser Pro online are the same questions that are at the end of the section of the notes. If they are the same questions, than it is some what of a rip off to purchase the questions that you would already have in the notes in another format for more money. Schweser likes to do that and they say that they are selling it in a different way because people learn differently and may prefer one media to another.

I've seen Stalla and I wasn't crazy about them.

I never heard anybody review Modlin or BISYS.

I saw a sample of Figov's notes on the website and they looked concise. The problem is that its hard to judge someone's notes looking at the ethic section. I would rather see a sample of Derivates, PM or FI.

engon

Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: preacherman
Date:   Tuesday, August 12 @ 8:27 pm

Congrats to everyone who passed: I answered Richard L with the same message.

unfortunately I failed L3, and by the looks of the postings on this site I think I am the only one. L3 is my white whale. I passed L1 and L2 on the first try and this was my third shot at L3. My first time around I really was not prepared, I was working too much. Which was a shame because it was not a hard exam.

The second time was last year - I just used the Schweser notes and I studied enough but I still didn't feel prepared after I left, I needed more than the notes. This time I studied the FAR notes and I did a lot of the readings, especially the fixed income and quant stuff which I knew cold.

I have always done well in school classes getting top grades in difficult math and engineering classes. I really felt I understood the stuff. The questions I have the most trouble with are the Portfolio Management questions. These questions have a lot of unessessary information, if I read it fast I make mistakes and if I read it slow I run out of time. I don't think I finished the morning session of any of the L3 exams I took. This year I left one or two questions blank and last year it was three questions.

If I decide to take it again, I think I will need to do a lot of practice questions. Does anyone know a good provider of test type questions for L3 that has a lot of questions. Modus advertised 10,000 test questions that cover all the material in the readings - but I am a bit of a skeptic at this point. Does anyone know these guys. I heard that Pass Pro has a lot of questions but there are a lot of mistakes for L3 and I dont know the quality of the questions.

Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Coterra
Date:   Tuesday, August 12 @ 9:05 pm

Preacherman,

Try not to let this deter you; perseverance is the key here. The best mode of attack for the upcoming year would to focus on areas where you are weaker (<50% grade).

This may sound cheesy but while studying try to rise above the idea of just passing the exam and learn the material; this should give you a deeper understanding.

Unfortunately you are correct on the extraneous amount of information given on PM questions (it appears that points are awarded those who skim over the material and answer the relative question). The key to those questions appears to be to reiterate the obvious (35 yr old - a long time horizon, high risk tolerance, and so on...).

Stick with it my man; it's just another year.

Cheers,


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: nycguy
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 2:06 am

preacherman... my suggestions are:

1. Try to force yourself to complete the morning session questions. It's possible the questions you did not finish made the difference. What I did this year was to immediately look at all of the questions very quickly as soon as the exam began, and I did some relatively easy, small point questions first. These questions were near the end of the am question set and if people did not complete these, they missed easy points. I also tried to budget my time to no more than the number of points for each question. If you finish the am questions you can very easily add 20 or so points to your result. My feeling is the reason people don't finish is they spend too much time on the big portfolio management questions which are usually 1, 2 in the sequence.

2. On the portfolio management questions, you have to do a lot of practice questions from previous AIMR exams. Try to do some of these under the appropriate time pressure. As you do these, you should be able to develop an approach that allows you to quickly focus in on the most relevant info... underline this and keep reading. If you train yourself to work quickly, there is no reason you can't do ok on these questions. Anticipate that AIMR will develop questions designed to take you off track, and make answering some of the parts very difficult. Just try to stick to your battle plan, and if necessary make assumptions that allow you to show you know how to do this stuff. Also don't make the same mistake I did and assume there won't be an insurance company question. I spent very little time prepping for that and I really bombed that stuff.

I heard about a former AIMR grader who was available in NYC to specifically prep L3 candidates on essay questions. He was too expensive for me. You might check with Figov on this, I believe he will do it also.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Range
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 3:38 am

Preacherman,

It appears from your post, though you don't mention how you did in pm section, that you had a prob with speed and the only way how to get around this, I think, is to do lots of practice questions, just as you note yourself.

I also had passed L1 and L2 on first attempts and did L3 for the 3rd time. This year I got a break. A year before I missed 2 questions in am section as well and had hard time in pm section due to time shortage but this year I did a lot of practice questions from Schweser disc and it was a way better.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: john UK
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 4:04 am

Preacherman,

dont give up, sit the exam next year!!!

Our study group had the following strategy:

- Have a top score in ethics, Quant and AL

- Dont focus too much on old (PM) questions... even if this may sound strange... the older the questions the greater the risk that they relate to LOS, which arent relevant any more...
and this will only lead to confusion and destroys self-confidence
- stick to the basic structure within PM (individual and insti) and give them the clear and most important topics already mentioned above (35 yr old - a long time horizon, high risk tolerance, and so on...). If calculation seems to be to difficult, show some educated guess (I did this this year concerning the cashflow of this old lady and the child...)

IMPORTANT
- start with the constraits section, even if they tell you you shouldn't since those are the much easier and faster points and they allow you to get a better feeling for the objectives...
IMPORTANT
- partial credit is the key ... in any area
- dont loose in the morning session and win the game in the afternoon

- below is our checklist for Institutionals (Convert it in Excel)

good luck for next year!!!!!!!!


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: dizzy
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 5:47 am

I also flunked L3 this year

53.3% according to 40/60/80.

I absolutely bombed the PM questions and fixed income. I knew my responses weren't perfect, but I was surprised by how poorly I did. I think poor time management and lack of practice did me in, and boy do I regret it.

I passed L1 the first try and L2 the third try.

It'll be tough going into the office later today, especially with the pass rate being so high.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: betsy
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 7:02 am

Dude,

I'm feeling your pain. This was my 2nd time to take 3 and fail after passing 1 and 2 the first time around. I have no suggestions as I felt I knew the material cold but failed to perform - got bogged down in 1 or 2 essays, then in the afternoon screwed up on a section that I spent too much time on, realized it toward the end, but it was too late. Oh yeah, and when I cleared my calculator right before the afternoon session, the settings went back to default w/ only 2 decimals and I had forgotten how to change it back. Really threw me off and I'm sure made a difference with some calculations by the look at my scores. Still, scored 55.8% according to the 40/60/80 rule and passed ethics. Anyway, the wound is still raw. All I have is sympathy. I didn't feel like I could've been much more prepared than I was going in. The b@stards. I felt absolutely raped at the end of that exam.

Betsy


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Sparks
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 9:09 am

1. Knowing the material is less than half the battle - I felt I knew the material cold this year and barely passed. It's how you perform on exam day that will put you over the top.

2. Answer every question. Do NOT get bogged down on a question (I did this year on the Individual IPS - that question sucked. I realized I spent 15 minutes on a 4 minute question (the required return part - bah!).. Fortunately, I survived it - do as I say, not as I do.

3. Mindset of a relief pitcher. When I failed LII, I performed poorly in the afternoon because I was so depressed about the morning. The key is to be totally dispassionate about the exam... My attitude was "Hey, I'll give it my best shot and see what happens". The more stressed you are, the more likely to underperform.

4. Accept that luck will likely have a hand in your result. I'm not too proud to say that I got lucky this year.


Strangely, in some ways, LIII was more difficult than LII - I thought LIII was supposed to be a layup

Stay strong , grasshopper. You're almost there, visualize a positive result.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: thechief
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 9:20 am

Preacherman, Betsy and Dizzy,

I failed L3 also, so I feel your pain. I did awful in the afternoon session. Now I am going to enjoy the next few months, and start preparing again, hopefully for the last time. John UK, thanks for your post. Did you find that being part of a study group helped?


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Jiminy
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 9:23 am

I certainly know your pain as I failed L3 last year after passing the L1&2 on the first try and L3 was supposed to be the "easy" one.

Fortunately I passed this year. What I think helped me is that when the essay answers came later in the year I didn't look at the answers right away. I did the questions as if I was taking the test. I didn't remember them that well anyway.

I probably answered them the same way I did on the real exam. Then I compared my answers to AIMRs. I found out that it wasn't so much what I put down for an answer but how I answered the question. That's half the battle. I feel this helped me squeak by in the morning.

Per prior posts, I agree if you can do well on AL which generally isn't that hard, ET and FI then your good to go in the afternoon.

Keep the faith. It's worth it in the end. As much as we ***** about AIMR, I guarantee you everyone who passed level 3 is proud to put CFA on their business cards.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: CFA candidate
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 9:42 am

Congratulation to everybody who passed Level 3.

Unfortunately, I was not part of the crowd. I felt like I overstudied and thought my memorization skills would help me on the exam. I was wrong. I start realizing that L3 is more application that memorizing the concepts. I am also weak on the debt and derivatives questions.

I would highly appreciate if anyone could give me some advice on resolving most of the debt and derivatives questions.

Thank you in advance.


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Alec
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 10:04 am

I was very lucky and managed to pass all 3 levels consecutively.

When I look at my scores for level 2 and level 3 l realized a lot of it is straight luck and I was fortunate to be on the right side of the bubble.

Having said that I studied for over 250 hrs per level.

Both times I attended the Study Seminar in Windsor and used the Schweser audio CD’s during my 1.5 hr commute. I also used the audio's CD’s at night while reading the notes (It help to keep my mind focused on the material). I have the audio for sale if anyone is interested in starting for 2004.

I couldn’t say enough good things about the SSFA. It’s a 1 week program with over 50 hrs at the University of Windsor . The food and accommodation were terrible but the program was excellent. Doubtful I would have passed if I hadn’t attended.

There's really nothing all that difficult in isolation in the curriculum. The real challenge is recalling the huge volume of info on exam day and having enough discipline to study for 200+ hrs.

Good luck. I know this must be very disappointing.

Alec


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: thechief
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 10:43 am

Alec,

How much do you want for the audio cds?


Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: repeater1
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 10:49 am

I am in the same boat as you my friend, and just looking to blow off some steam before i can think rationally again--i took level 3 for the third time as well and for the third time did better on multiple choice than i did in the morning session; 42% morning and 62% evening using the 40/60/80 approach.

any specific suggestions on approaching portfolio management questions; how long should each answer be (i used 1 line per point as a guide); bullets versus paragraphs; calculations versus qualitative observations; how can you differentiate your answer from that of your neighbor?



Re: Failed L3 - any suggestions?
Author: Chi-Town
Date:   Wednesday, August 13 @ 10:59 am

Betsy:

I know exactly how you feel... This was my second time at level III and I failed again. Unlike the year prior, I also new the material, yet my execution on exam day was very poor. Not only did I change 7 correct answers in the afternoon on my second pass through, but I realized I had 2/3 of the morning to go with an 1.25 hours left (my countdown timer stopped).

I really think that the afternoon is where you pass or fail. Go with your gut. I also agree with the post about stating the obvious in the PM question. Right now, with my tears sitting just below the surface, though it's hard to think about another spring being lost.