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regarding Ponzi scheme,I think it is very hard to say.

 

Can you imagine maybe the defined benefit pension plan itself is a Ponzi scheme - using active workforce's contribution to satisfy those who become inactive. Isn't this simiar Ponzi scheme as well? Isn't employee stock purchase program (usually called ESOP) in western countries a Ponzi scheme too,as senior management's stock (usually large in quantity) will benefit a lot more by employee participating increasing the demand and liquidity?

 

As a matter of fact,lots of economic phenomena in this world tend to follow Ponzi scheme. What do you guys think?

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说句老实话,你觉得你很努力了,但还是考不过,不一定说明cfa是骗子,只能说明很多人比你更勤奋,更聪明,只是你不认识而已。
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以下是引用albaba在2010-6-9 12:09:00的发言:

考cfa考成这样,我已经看到好几个哥们卡在三级2、3年了。杯具啊!

但真的不是他们不努力!而是系统性的被当做数字撤销掉了。

 

 

还有:真的很后悔考CFA。

去年三级通过700人!报考全部人数16000人。考cfa的一次通过率=一级45%*二级35%*三级14%=2.2%。

这个数字比考保荐代表人的通过率低n多!

可是作用呢?一个保代可以顶几个cfa?如果从收入比,呵呵。。。。。。。自己琢磨

最关键是,要考3年!三年中的生活质量、三年中对单位工作的贡献,对家庭的贡献,看看机会成本吧!

 

cfa的就业,相对这么大的投入,也就在外资金融机构、投行有收获投资的可能。可惜金融危机后,他们国内业务在萎缩,将来也不会再现2007年的盛况;对cfa需求的萎靡不振是永久性的,而cfa持证人数增加是波涛汹涌并且是永久性的。

实际上,根据俺观察,cfa证书在国内金融界,就业时候和拿一个cpa的含金量差不多,嘿嘿,cpa又需要这么卖力考吗?!要花这么多银子吗?

 

总结来看,痛苦的是无数被骗进入的考生。咧嘴大笑的是极力宣传cfa超级无敌药效的培训机构;以及号称integrity、但实际上悄悄在暗中通过1/2级考试把中国人放进来、集中屠宰在三级以牟取暴利的CFA institute.

 

很愤怒,但是只能弱弱的说几句,谁叫咱已经上了贼船呢?!!!

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如果一个考试堕落到用运气来决定谁通过,用谁也做不完的essay来卡通过率,这样的考试,是不是只为了收费?

CFAi一年需要过亿美元的运营开支吗?!

 

CFA证书对于就业、提升、薪酬有没有帮助,大家经过自己观察,都会有清晰了解。但是,对于CFAi是否廉洁、公正,也需要加以观察啊!

 

TMD,让我背了三年伦理道德。

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I doubt your argument would make sense to me.

 

Don't blame everything and don't take it for granted that corruption is everywhere like in mainland.I probably have to admit wherever there is human-being,there might be corruption.But on the other hand,we cannot just attribute anything to corruption.

 

I think this comes back to a normal issue amongst our Chinese - we never have any belief or we used to have belief but it's gone now - having no faith in anything leads to questioning almost everything.

 

This is what I can see in you,Albaba.

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以下是引用xiaoming_bo在2010-8-17 2:00:00的发言:

各位兄弟别激动,偶说说自己的感受

 

三级考试应该说并不难,这次看了一个月的Notes,过了两遍,没有做习题和模拟题,时间来不及,结果AM里面1,4,5,6四个题目中各有一个小题notes中根本没有见过,只好放弃。我记得包括第一题中税收的那题,用夏普指数判断加入组合与否,effective beta,safety margin这些我都是直接傻掉,还有另外两个小题由于时间不够也是空白没做的。上午考完基本不想再考了,准备下午乱搞以下算了。考完也不抱希望,今晚的邮件都有点不想打开,结果出来成绩还不错,总共只有一个低于50%的,还是被notes害的。CFA现在有点针对notes了,像第三题偏偏要考非市场因素对养老金的影响,而notes重点在将市场因素。

 

偶在证券行业做研究员,个人认为CFA最适合的对象就是研究员和基金经理,知识体系偏重估值,资产配置这些,对我来说正好合适。偶妹妹做投行,他们合适考的是CPA和律师资格,目前来说国内投行CFA好像没啥用,个人观点。

我也只看了notes,不过时间比你多一点,看了1个半月,最后10天之前看完第一遍,10天内看完第二遍以及做题。虽然我AM分数很差,5个<50%,但是所有内容我都在notes里面看到了,包括税收、effective beta、 safety margin。 虽然三级notes内容很差,但是我觉得至少是全部覆盖到了。

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jl553 说得一点很有道理,we don't have any belief.

CFAi是否卡大陆通过率我不知道,没有数据支持。但是至少我知道我考了CFA之后,视野更广了,对金融的理解也不一样了。

Albaba, 抱怨CFAi没有用,你觉得受骗,可以去起诉他,相信美国法律制度还是能帮到你的。

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没考cfa前,我对金融认识就很深刻,视野也没觉得因为没CFA就狭隘,相反,倒是工作中边干边学才能加深认识、开阔眼界,需要指出的是,变干边学的内容可不是CFA。更要说明的是,考CFA影响了我投入学习的有效时间!

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以下是引用rixobo在2010-8-17 14:38:00的发言:
jl553 说得一点很有道理,we don't have any belief. CFAi是否卡大陆通过率我不知道,没有数据支持。但是至少我知道我考了CFA之后,视野更广了,对金融的理解也不一样了。 Albaba, 抱怨CFAi没有用,你觉得受骗,可以去起诉他,相信美国法律制度还是能帮到你的。

 

嗯哪,中国博士都被以恐怖主义分子的名义遣送回大陆了,我等那位博士回美国打赢诬陷官司之后,我再考虑是否挑战美国法律吧。另外,CFAi那些人,可以每年拿出1亿美元和你打官司,你的律师费准备掏多少出来?

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Albaba,I can't agree more with your comment regarding accumulating work experience is probably better way to learn about finance.That's what I have witnessed here in North America.Many of my classmates or professors start their career as trader or back office staff but through specific transaction and learning,they gradually moved up to sell side and buy side up to their own wealth management companies. To be honest,I am not sure how many people in the world are engaged in investment profession ( I would bet probably over 10M?) Look at how many CFA chartholders are out there? Less than 90K. I don't think CFAI has as much of influence as Ponzi scheme.

 

By the way,there is only this Ph.D Candidate being sent home for some personal reason,and why the hell you want to amplify this very individual matter?

 

If we Chinese want to play the game against our western rivals,we gotta understand the rules they formulated. This is after all a profession that is highly developed in western world,instead of China.If you want to compete against them,my view is,believe it or not,we have zero possibility of winning,at least for now.

 

Hey,be patient!

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楼上,你在北美,你自然得按北美规则走。但北美规则不是中国规则,比如北美股市严重依赖分析师的分析和定价,中国股市你能发现同样现象吗?CFA在北美对就业、职业提升有帮助,在国内有帮助吗?

 

广大中国考生卡在对工作无甚帮助的三级,尤其是卡在老外设置的英文变态测试上,请问这和学习finance又有何关系?

 

站立着看CFAi吧,别跪着看。

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